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have a serious forecast for the weather. >> a poker expert in the guest spot going all in. the author who inspired the hit "21" calling allison's bluff. i'm toure. since we're talking about vegas, let's get ready to rumble! it's time for "the cycle." start your engines, memorial day travel rush is under way. 26 million will be traveling through the end of the weekend on monday. it's the unofficial start of summer, which doesn't actually happen until june 21st. by the way, when does spring start? memorial day is the first sign of lifeguards, boaters, picnickers, amateur barbecue ba
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ers, and honoring those who fought and died for our country and their families. this month marks 150 years since the first military burials took place at arlington national cemetery. the president will be there monday for the wreath laying ceremony at the tomb of the unknown. before you head out, we want to give you a full summer preview, cycle style. politics, movies, and the summer's biggest surprises. senior editor at the atlantic, covering all of it, he's here to break down the list. you were the first name to come to mind about who can talk about everything. >> thank you very much. >> we will make sure you're prepared for any dinner table conversation that might come up over the weekend. let's start with politics. because washington, as luke knows, is pretty much dead in the summer. but, you know, what could heat up are the republicans' efforts to really start with the scandals. the va, benghazi. how much are they going to be able to do that? >> the question is what's going to fill this vacuum of space we have. i think it's going to be a summer of scandals. you have benghazi.
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you have the va situation in phoenix. both of these are tragedies. and the va hospital situation is truly, i think, a local scandal. the question is, to what extent can it bubble up and become a scandal for the administration so it then becomes a sort of issue that senators have to worry about when they're facing the midterms in november. >> they will no doubt have a huge impact on the midterms, as you were saying. the house pretty much decided on it. what's your sense? how will these scandals impact them? >> i think it's useful to think about all politics being national. the thing about 2008, the tailwinds that the democrats had. you had a historic election. you had insane turnout. you had a crashing economy and republican party to blame for it. now six years later, obama isn't a boon for the democratic party, he's an anchor. they certainly don't like the name and what it means for the democratic party. so i think that you do see all
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these things that were working for the democrats' advantage six years ago, now working at a disadvantage, being headwinds. >> the democrats will try to make the races super local, and about their local candidates who are well respected and well liked rather than republicans who are trying to nationalize it, make it about these scandals, make it about obamacare. but a lot of the books, the big books that have come out and are coming out this summer are sort of politically focused. some of them sort of look backwards and some of them are sort of pushing forward to 2016. we've got hillary clinton's book, and elizabeth warren and timothy geithner. and a huge blockbuster which is laying out the problems of inequality, which is sure to be a big issue in 2016. so i think those are going to be a big narrative this summer, too. >> absolutely. look at the big books coming out this summer. they're all one side of a
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polimic. the geithner book coming out says -- basically defends the stimulus. and a book by economists saying the federal government completely bungled this reaction to the recession, based on household debt. people are going to be searching for clues about what did hillary clinton know, or did not know. the president is now saying we need to think about revamping the way that we're collecting data from cellular companies. so all of these books that are coming out aren't just interesting books appearing and people can read them and learn how to think about differently about politics themselves. >> what an interesting coincidence that the hillary book is coming out at the same time as the benghazi select committee. how amazing is that.
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>> that's weird. >> yeah, that's really weird. >> we can't control everything. >> they must have a marketing department of some sort. >> i'm thinking about movies. one movie that i think for real movie lovers will want to dig into, it looks great. i haven't seen it yet. but it's a doc about somebody who changed american cinema. roll a little bit of the film about roger ebert. >> a wide audience to appreciate the art form. he really loved films. >> for me, the movies are like a machine that generates empathy. it lets you understand hopes, aspirations, dreams and fears. it helps us to identify with the people who are sharing this journey with us. >> roger changed the way americans thought about movies, with siskel, and the writing he did after that ended. but there's also a lot of other movies coming out with numbers after them, sequels, prequels,
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what have you. and the continued crumbling of the career of tom cruise. he's got a movie coming out that looks horrible. >> oh, no. >> it looks extremely confusing. i think we know now this is not what audiences want. >> that's a diplomatic way of putting it. >> that's my way of saying it makes absolutely no sense. we complain on the one hand there's too many sequels, and when they give us that's not a sequel, we go, this makes no sense. this was never a comic book. life itself actually, the wonderful documentary about roger ebert, is in fact an adaptation on a 2011 memoir called life itself. i think hollywood is trying to figure out how do we risk mitiga mitigate, how do we figure out what the audiences want. just give us what you've already shown us. prequels to sequels. >> we told them that we wanted tom cruise in the past. and now, we don't want tom cruise anymore. why do you think that tom cruise
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has flipped upside down? >> he's had a hard time since he jumped up and down on oprah's couch. he's been in a lot of sort of weird movies that didn't have an automatic tie-in. look at the most looked forward to movies, transformers 4, x men 27 or something. sequel to something based on a television show. hollywood is a machine for empathy, as roger ebert said. but maybe more so, it's a machine for repetitiveness. for familiarity. that's what it's really good at. wedom on straight every summer that's what we want. >> we have luke russert on the show, because he's very good. >> there's no better thing to do outside than watching baseball. do you have any prediction for baseball this summer? >> my surprise pick of the
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summer. i'm a yankees homer. >> nice. >> my prediction is that derek jeter, who is 71 in baseball years, remarkable rejuvenation this summer, i think will hit 400 in july. probably the best player of the all-star game and take the yankees to the a.l. championship. >> the east has been good, but not great. so to win the a.l. east -- >> i'm just kidding. warm as an ice cube. >> do you have a response to that? >> he's going to do it with a beautiful woman at his side at the end of the day. that's why we like derek jeter. >> i'm glad you got that in there. >> quality addition. good job. >> this has been fun. we should do this every day. thank you so much for being with us. i feel totally up to date. >> maybe a sequel.
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>> what are you doing in four minutes? >> let's find out. up next, time goes in-depth on one of the greatest medical advances of the last 50 years. but, of course, there are critics. "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, may 22nd. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers.
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it is one of the greatest medical advancements of the past 50 years. the ability to give babies born prematurely a full chance at life. in the 1960s, the odds of survival for a preemie born weighing just 3.3 pounds was only 28%. in 2010, the chance for that child to leave the hospital with mom and dad rose 50 percentage points to 78%.
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this week's "time" cover story takes a look at the amazing advancements to make sure even the tineiest babies survive and ultimately thrive. jeffrey krueger joins us at the table in new york. jeffrey, run through some of the key medical advances made to move the survival rates from 28% chance of survival to now 78%. quite extraordinary. >> it is. a lot of it has to do with team care, with the development of what are called level 4 nicus, or neonatal intensive care units. babies get around-the-clock care by a team of specialists that include neonatologists, nutritionists, that include even speech pathologists, believe it or not, because what they do is teach babies how to use their mouths. that's the most important thing they need to do when they don't know how to drink. they coordinate swallowing, breathing, sucking. a complicated thing for them to do. >> it's incredible how far we've
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come. all that aside, there's no amount of technology that can help families cope with something like this, to cope with the preemie baby. it's got to be such an emotional thing for anyone to go through. i imagine it was difficult for you to do research on it, to actually write about it. talk about the journey they go through. >> the journey that they go through, as one of the people we talked to said, a premature birth in that moment, a blessed and joyful event two months from now, becomes a medical emergency today. and it's that same woman who said, same woman the nurse in the nicu said, nobody's birth plan involves a neonatal intensive care unit. the first thing they have to do is stop comparing their pregnan pregnancy to their girlfriend's
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pregnancy. it's a fight for life at this point. >> it's great we're able to save more and more of these babies, and make it that the babies can be born earlier and earlier weeks, 21 weeks sometimes, 20 weeks. and have them survive. that is great. but a lot of these folks who are born preterm end up with life-long problems stemming from being born too early. so they're surviving, but having a lesser quality of life. what are some of the ethical issues around helping these people survive to have a lesser quality of life? >> that's a big question. because it comes down to how much suffering can you put a very small child through, how much expense is it fair to ask parents to endure, how many stress cracks does it cause in the existing family if you do this. even if, as you say, the baby survives, there's a higher risk of respiratory issues, a higher risk of cognitive and intellectual issues. there are cardiac issues, there are digestive issues throughout their entire lives.
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the good thing is, the earlier you intervene, the better those odds of survival become. now, the problem is, below a certain threshold, it just isn't going to get any better. you have about a 5% survival rate. at 22 weeks it's just not there. one of the doctors we talked to, they said their skin is like burn patients, the skin just falls off. the lungs simply cannot draw a breath. there is a limit to which you say this fight is lost. >> advancement continues in particular, and once babies are born after 23 weeks, being able to figure out how to make them thrive, i think one of the things you detail is a sort of low-tech solution being worked on called kangaroo care, which is literally parents actually holding the babies more. >> that's right. and we are evolutionarily hard wired to holding babies. babies are hard wired to need that kind of holding. when parents or other adult
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caregivers hold babies as much as they possibly can, blood pressure stabilizes, appetite stabilizes, sleep cycles stabilize. a long-term study released last year out of israel, showing that even in the 5 and 10-year-old age group, these kids have a better ability to manage stress and to focus on tasks. simply because they were held as newborns. >> wow. that's incredible. we were talking about it this morning. this is a very difficult conversation to have. how do you speak about it in the right way and having done so much research on this, what advice do you have for families that had to deal with something like this? >> right. well, one of the good things that i visited both the children's hospital of philadelphia and the children's hospital of wisconsin, in milwaukee, and one of the things they keep stressing is they see this so much, that they walk into the parents, the first thing they say to the parents is, a, congratulations on the birth of your baby. they want them to know it is
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still a blessed event. and b, they said, we've got this. we've seen this before. you are in good hands because we know what we're doing. it's hard for the parents, because you're supposed to be the primary and indeed exclusive caregiver, and suddenly you're barely allowed near the baby. you're at the level 4 nicus putting the baby into the hands of a team of people who need manage these crises. >> jeffrey, talk about the support systems that i presume have been developed now, because of technology being so good. it probably helps parents if they're able to be connected to the hospital by other parents who have gone through something like this and makes the journey that much better. >> that's right. and there are what the milwaukee hospital calls connection links, or learning bridges, that allow parents to connect to their families through blogs, through websites, so that you're getting the information out there to the people who love your baby. that's a big part of it. there is a community that
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develops within the hospital. there's a community that develops among the parents in the nicu. remember, these kids are there, they generally are not discharged until what would have been 37 weeks of gestation. so if you're born at 22 weeks, that's a 15-week stay. now, the thing about that is, though, you get this sense of relative mortality. there's not a family in any nicu that somebody doesn't envy and there's not a family in any nicu that any family doesn't ache for. the only families nobody wants to be are the families whose babies aren't coming home. there's a population of those in every nicu. >> jeffrey, thank you very much. the issue that got speaker boehner choked up today on the hill. i was there for that. and what's turning china and russia into drinking buddies. love that video? you'll get more of it next. look at putin put it back. (whispering) yeah really good (whispering) yeah and for a family of 4 it's a $160 a month.
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served our country, and we can't just let them down. we've let them die. this is awful stuff. somebody ought to be held accountable for it. >> the news cycle begins on capitol hill over the widening va scandal. secretary eric shinseki was back on the hill today, this time meeting with top senators, the appropriations committee approving a house bill giving him complete power to expedite the firings of top va employees. meantime, the man president obama put in charge of the investigation, deputy chief of staff rob neighbors, is now in arizona where this all started. he's questioning employees at the va where the latest accusations occurred. >> be ready to evok wait. that is the advice for 3,000 residents just south of flagstaff, arizona. erratic winds are expected to push a massive slide fire/wildfire closer to homes. elite hot spot crews are trying to get it all under control. from fires to severe weather,
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this summer's hurricane season will be worse than last year. but not as bad as it could be, fortunately. noaa is predicting as many as 13 named storms, with at least two major hurricanes. the six-month atlantic hurricane season starts on june 1st. good news for drivers heading into a busy travel weekend. gas prices are not expected to leave you feeling as robbed this summer. aaa predicts prices at the pump should start falling, yeah, you heard that right, falling. prices now averaging around $3.65 heading into memorial day. about average for the last three years. it all depends, of course, on where you live. drivers in the central u.s. are paying the least. i'm jealous of them. because those of us on the coast are paying a bit more. that leads us to a spin and a toast heard round the world. this is how presidents vladimir putin celebrated a gas deal between russia and china
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yesterday. it comes after nearly a decade of negotiation, which in putin's style requires a shot with china's president and everyone else in the room. the deal gives russia struggling economy a wooboost. blunting the u.s. and other countries' sanctions over the ukraine crisis. the sanctions are in fact working, russia conceded lower prices to beijing since they had no other partner. robert gates sees the warning. >> with all the talk of coming home, of nation building at home, so that the perception has grown increasingly around the world, that in fact the united states is pulling back from the global responsibilities that it has shouldered for many decades now. i believe russia and china,
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among others, see that void, and are moving to see what advantage they can take of it. >> so, a lot to talk about here. let's take it to the table. you know, i think he made a lot of good points. there's been such a focus back here at home rebuilding ourselves. and frankly, there's a real lack of appetite when it comes to involving ourselves anywhere around the world. i'm very much in that bucket. but does it mean that we are -- have to position ourselves no longer as the top dogs. i spent a lot of time over in asia, most recently living in beijing. i have to tell you, the mood among mean chinese, they're on the rise and we're just moving down. regardless of what the stats are, what the realities are, that's how they are feeling. that is not a good place for us to be. i compare it to the 1970s, when you had nixon and secretary kissinger after the vietnam war. they didn't fall back into recluse, they actually had a strategy. it was conquer and divide. they made sure they had a strong
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relationship with the chinese and strong relationship with the soviets. now, it's no longer the case. the question that i have is, what is our strategy? what is the administration's strategy? because there's all this talk of this pivot to asia. i'm not even sure what that means. president obama has not even taken a trip other than once to beijing. if this is in fact the most important relationship of the 21st century, why not sit down and meet with xi jinping and meet with the officials over there. to the chinese people, that means a whole heck of a lot. >> there's a sense that you don't want to reward bad behavior. you want to have the chinese earn such a visit. the last trip by the president to asia did not include beijing intentionally. we want to make sure our friends are supporting them first and foremost. in this particular deal, i actually see it very different
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than former secretary gates does. in a lot of ways, it comes out of u.s. action, right? it comes out of the sanctions that europeans slapped on russia, which forced them into this deal. it comes out of the fact that the chinese are upset with us for our condemnation of their actions in the south china sea. in a way, this particular deal is more a sign of desperation on putin's part than anything else. one other thing that i'll point out. there's always a lot of fear in the u.s. about the rise of china and what it's going to mean and how are they going to usurp us. it revolves around the idea that they own so much of our debt. they practically own our country. and they do own a decent chunk. but i think people would be surprised to realize that they only own slightly more of our total debt than japan at 8%. i think 8% is a lot less than most people would think the chinese hold of our debt. >> brazil had 2% of our debt,
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didn't see that coming at all. look, this idea that it's our weakness that is the problem that leaves other nations like russia to be more aggressive, i get tired of that idea. there are a lot of folks just as smart and experienced as mr. gates, who disagree entirely with what he's saying. in the '80s, we were aggressive, so they were aggressive. former ambassador to china was on the show talking about how that is actually not the case. and they ascribe more power to us than we actually have. roll that. >> i participated in many meetings between prime minister putin and then president putin, with president obama. and i have a very different view. i think president putin assigns more power to the united states than we actually have. if you listen to his statements, he's constantly talking about the threat of the united states for making a revolution. >> the ambassador of russia
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thauking about the ambassador of china. >> that's okay. >> but it's very easy to make the sort of a deal. this is the global marketplace, and these big neighboring countries should be making these sort of deals. much harder to implement in a pair of countries where there is not a tradition of anti-corruption. >> not to mention, guys, this kind of feeds into what we're seeing as the economy as global. it will be global for the future because of the rise in technology. i want to go back to the point, and corey, i want to agree with you here. mr. gates said something that i find fascinating. focus on nation building here at home. why is there a focus on nation building here at home? i'll tell you why. because we spend $6 trillion in iraq and afghanistan and what do we get for it? >> good point. >> so why is there a focus here at home? our highways are structurally deficient. check. airports are structurally deficient. check. there should be a focus here at home. all that being said, if you talk to americans, conservative,
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liberal, when i go around the country to the districts, not one of them wants to get involved and shed blood in foreign countries for no reason especially after the economic crash in 2008. especially after the $6 billion we spent abroad. the nation building here at home is i think something people on both sides of the aisle agree should occur. this specific deal between china and russia, sure, it's big, historic, but if we're going to get involved in the world stage, they're developing these nations, and we have to go out and help out. that is the best kind of diplomacy we can have, not going to spend more money on wars over there. >> amen. i think one sign, luke, of the times in the terms of the way americans are feeling about our foreign policy, is the fact that rand paul could be seen as the front-runner for the republican nomination. i mean, the republican party, which has been in the past few
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decades the party of, you know, sort of international aggression and adventurism. >> keep cool. >> yeah. that is the struggle. but we still need a strategy. i don't think anyone here, anyone watching the show could define what our strategy should be. >> too easy to say the next administration doesn't have a strategy in terms of foreign policy. most administrations don't have a strategy. every administration is different. >> but we have a ton of problems here at home. we don't want to get tied down abroad in things that are completely out of our control. >> i don't think we'll be tied down abroad if president obama takes a trip to beijing. i think that's definitely a step in the right direction. up next, are you frustrated by republicans? do you not agree with everything the democrats say? sound familiar? meet the 2014 candidate who's proud, and he's only 24.
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partisanship and gridlock, grinding progress to a halt. the american people dissatisfied with the direction that the country is taking. more people calling themselves politically independent than ever before. but incumbents are still winning without fear of defeat. perhaps what congress needs is a new generation to shake up washington into a new way of doing business. but is there anybody out there who's willing to step up? >> so today i'm very proud to announce i'm going to ebb seeking your support as a candidate for the u.s. house of representatives from our tenth district of pennsylvania. america deserves better than politicians in washington who care more about keeping their jobs than doing them and solving these problems. you deserve better. we deserve better.
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and together with your support, we can do better. thank you very much. >> that is nick trayono, at only 24 years old, he's running for pennsylvania's tenth congressional seat as an independent candidate. he turns the legal minimum age of 25 in june. he started a small business, has run a nonprofit and looking to upend the status quo in washington. nick joins us now. thank you so much for joining us. thank you for running. it takes a lot of courage to do. >> thanks for having me here. it's been a wild ride so far. we're looking forward to november. >> excellent. so why do this? i mean, i'm glad you are. but it's an uphill battle, especially as an independent candidate, not backed by either party. if you did win, you'd be 1 of 435 members, again, without a party sort of helping you along and supporting you and giving you an instant platform. and millennials are much less likely to engage themselves in government in this way.
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so why are you running? >> i feel a real urgency at the moment. our country faces a range of long-term sustainability issues not being addressed because of the bipartisan gridlock and corruption in washington. so i thought why wait 20 years to get involved if i think i can make a positive impact and contribution now. so that's why i decided to run. and i hope that my candidacy this year will inspire a lot more independent younger people to run in the future. really shake up the political system failing our future. >> you're hoping you're the start of a wave? >> that's right. >> you know, nick, i've known you for a long time. luke russert here in washington, d.c. i remember visiting you at your house in georgetown. you were trying to get dave walker into the presidential debate to talk about fiscal issues. you're certainly someone who's passionate going back to when you were just a teenager. i've got to ask you, how have you been received on the campaign trail? i would imagine folks, like a breath of fresh air, 24-year-old kid with some ideas. >> i do think that's how people are perceiving it. i was at the polls all day on
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tuesday. which is pennsylvania's primary election. about nine out of ten people who came out stopped to sign my petition to help add my name to the general election ballot. because although there are three candidates in the race, the voters only have two choices, the status quo of politics as usual, or another option, someone who can represent the people rather than the party of their campaign contributors. i think the people of the tenth district have a unique opportunity this year to send a shock wave to washington, that this isn't going to stand anymore. >> i wonder if you and your buddy luke were teenagers at the same time. >> old man toure over there. the only guy over 40. >> old man, yeah. >> what are you doing with your life? when are you running for congress? >> all right, all right. but we said before the segment that you were a republican until recently, and the shutdown sort of broke your heart. that i can't be with this party,
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they're moving too far to the right. a lot of people are feeling like that. i applaud you for moving on that feeling. what is keeping you from going blue? >> as an independent, like a majority of young people, and 42% of all americans nowadays, i happen to agree with republicans on some things and democrats on other things. >> so it is possible. >> there isn't a party right now both fiscal and environment sustainability for example. you know, republicans aren't acknowledging the real threat toward climate. democrats aren't acknowledging the threat that climate programs are to our budget. running as an independent gives me an opportunity to identify the best ideas from across the spectrum to address our toughest challenges. >> nick, congratulations to you. i think what you're doing is fabulous and exactly what the system needs. you represent where so many young people are at. including myself. you're kind of giving me the bug to do the same thing. >> you should.
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>> whoa! >> you know, we'll see. frustrating republicans who have nowhere else to go. we'll see, luke. but no, 50% now millennials identify as an independent. what is your goal in doing this? i hope it's obviously to win. but is it also to send a message to republicans saying, if you don't get your act together, you'll lose a huge wave of republicans that you need to win? >> that's right. our political system needs a real shock to it. it's come from outside of the two parties, one party is going to respond. i'd like to see how that plays out in the future election cycles. i'm inspired by the candidacy of ross perot in the '90s. he got 20% of the vote. that was using a p.o. box and 800 number, before the age of social media, and was able to catalyze getting a balanced budget done. i think running as an independent can have a big impact. i am hoping to win, 76% of voters in my district are open to supporting an independent like me.
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>> who would you have voted for president in 2012 in 2008? >> who did i? >> who did you, or would you? >> i worked for an organization called americans elect in 2012. trying to build a platform for a third ticket nominated by the people online. i would like to see that happen. >> congratulations to you for running. i'll make a little pitch for the democratic party. there are plenty of people working on reform on those issues. but the president proposed reforms, including raising revenue, but also cuts. don't forget about the democratic party. >> i was disappointed in the cpi this year. >> after he didn't get any support from the republicans. thank you for coming in. as our loyal cycle fans know, abby started a new web series called abby's adventures. here is a sneak peek of volume two, abby and the sword. >> ooh! >> finally, i get to put my
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for phil ivy and billy chan. they're the rock stars. they come out of nowhere. nowadays, nowhere means the world of online poker which has grown controversial not just because of moms yelling at sons to stop playing poker all day and make something of their life, they were charged with money laundering shocking the industry. i wonder why that happened? could it be the desire to protect the poker industry which one big fish is sheldon addleson? things that make you go, hmm. for answers, let's talk to a big kahuna of poker, the author of many books about the poker world. including "straight flush" killing the online poker party, now out in paperback. welcome, ben. >> thank you. >> an article just out talking about making your case about why online poker should be legal.
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do you find it absurd that it's not? >> it's completely hypocritical. you can buy scratch tickets at any supermarket in the country pretty much. the lottery is everywhere. you can online and bet your entire stock on a market. casino owners, you know, i understand why they're against it. but if you're allowed to walk into a casino and play poker, you should be allowed to play in your house. i think online poker should be legal. but it has to be regulated. you can't have kids playing poker. just like a kid can't walk into a casino. you have to have more regulations. overall, i think it's hypocritical that it's not around. >> i sat next to you at dinner in boston. >> yes, i remember that. >> you go to the dinners, i sat next to ben, wonderful time. i wanted to ask you, some states have allowed online poker. why have those states done it
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and what have they done to sort of be able to do it? >> new jersey, delaware and nevada are three states allowin regulated as possible. you have to prove that you are in the state by having your cell phone next to your laptop and they ping your cell phone. it is a big tax revenue thing. when it was shut down by the d.o.j. it was a $30 billion to $40 billion industry. if that industry came back think of how much money the states would be earning in tax dollars which is the reason we are putting casinos in every state. they have had issues in new jersey and nevada with payment process. banks are kind of scared to get involved until there is a federal decision on it and more states are involved it is a gray area. >> you mentioned casino mogul
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sheldon addleson who is deeply opposed to online gambling. you are just stating the facts. >> i heard him quoted saying the reason he is against it is you can't tell -- >> he is in favor of gambling but not in favor of exploiting the world's most vulnerable people. are online people more vulnerable? >> the people who i knew online gambling were middle class college kids. when you walk into a casino you see people who maybe shouldn't be gambling so much. nobody walks in a casino and asked if you can afford the bet you are making. there are ways to regulate online poker to make it so you can't spend all of your money. i think it is crazy to say casinos are this bastion of taking care of us. they let you get as drunk as you
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want to get for the most part. whatever is in your wallet can go on the table. >> exactly. something in the news recently ben affleck kicked out of the casino for quote/unquote counting cards. you write about the fact it takes real skill to be good at gamble. couldn't you make the argument he was really good? >> "bringing down the house" is my book. ben affleck was using the same techniques that they used in "21". the main character said should have called us and he wouldn't have gotten caught. they shouldn't be allowed to throw you out for using your brain in a casino. all he was doing is using math. >> was it fun sitting beside luke at the party? >> that was the best dinner i ever had. i had a really, really good time. >> luke is a great guy.
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curb. primary voters decided they wanted to win this time around and chances of retaking the senate is looking a little bit better. you would think it might be time to just forget voting and say we will see majority leading mcconnell after memorial day break. i would warn a more cautious celebration. it would be fool hearted to rush into this. primaries don't elect too much if you can't elect a president. turnout is vastly different from a presidential election. this time around turnout was embarrassingly low. take kentucky for example. only 27% ended up casting a vote. pretty sickening when you think about the $10 million mcconnell spent for the votes all before the general election. the battle is expected to be the most expensive of the year. and then there is georgia where 25% were expected to turn out. they didn't get that. only 19% cast a ballot after gop
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mate much that the gop needs in order to win a national contest in a country whose democrats are shifting under its feet. the question the party should be asking is how well it is doing in rebuilding bridges to the loss in recent years. what is being done to convince voters. this requires finding the right way to talk about our budget with compassion and outcomes and real opportunities for the american people. it requires starting a conversation on issues that matter most to key demographics, gay rights being a huge one. i am thrilled to see three republican candidates doing so well this time around. let them lead the discussion. so establishment republicans celebrate the victory this week but do not get drunk on it. there is still so much more work to do. we have all been to parties that start out great but wind up being a bust. that does it for "the cycle". now "alex wagner" starts now.
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